I-9 ON-LINE VERIFICATION UP-DATE # 4
pork1
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Well after a month of investigations, terminations, recruiting and placement, and all getting I-9 data varification with the save program, I finally hit number 52 and 53 without a hitch, 52 was a Hispanic employee hired the day before and 53 was an employee hired the same day of the enrollment. One received his confirmation from Department of Homeland Security that his I-9 data was confirmed as completed on the I-9. Number 53, I-9 data was inputed into the verification process and we were directed to refer the individual to the DHS/USCIS service office. This morning, I printed off the prepared document signed and executed a suspension of the individual with written instructions to visit the nearest USCIS center for correction of data entry. The individual was clocked out and sent on his way and given 8 working days to return to this office with the documentation from DHS/USCIS, from which we will base a change in our original submission. We will now wait until August 26 or sooner to see if he comes back. If he does, we will make the corrections to the I-9 and re-enter the data for confirmation. If he does not return, we will terminate his employment due to "an attendance" issue and not for anyother reason. I know he want return because I recognized him as "Luis Castro", a previous x-employee that quit our employment several years ago to go back to Mexico due to family illiness. This time his documents where a totally different person. I have followed procedures and again the message will get out that we can and do verify I-9 data.
FOR Those subscribers who care the SAVE program remains alive and well. I personally have experienced no complications with the system nor the customer service personnel who help when I get bogged down. This company has all new hires documented as to the correctness of the I-9 data and the supporting program documents which are available to this company to vouch for our execution of the I-9 data and the handling of each employee's enrollments.
I remain, as before, confirmed that this company has hired 100% of our new hires, inaccordance with, the intended purposes of the I-9. We have hired either US Citizens or foreign nationals with supporting documents that are verified by DHS/USCIS/SSA (DATA BANKS). I recommend to all the SAVE program for validations of your I-9 work.
PORK
FOR Those subscribers who care the SAVE program remains alive and well. I personally have experienced no complications with the system nor the customer service personnel who help when I get bogged down. This company has all new hires documented as to the correctness of the I-9 data and the supporting program documents which are available to this company to vouch for our execution of the I-9 data and the handling of each employee's enrollments.
I remain, as before, confirmed that this company has hired 100% of our new hires, inaccordance with, the intended purposes of the I-9. We have hired either US Citizens or foreign nationals with supporting documents that are verified by DHS/USCIS/SSA (DATA BANKS). I recommend to all the SAVE program for validations of your I-9 work.
PORK
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thanks for help pork.
stella, hr
Don't forget to go back into the program and close out your case as "resolved" upon terminating your absentee employee. Print that out and attach it to your first verification.
DAC services are good for the DRIVER concerns; however, I have dropped their expense for all other employees and SAVED that money. I still use DAC for other categories like MVR EXPRESS, but for all other employees, we strickly use the SAVE program and we have found 100% effectiveness in the validation of the data on the I-9.
Again welcome and thanks for your post.
PORK
PoRk: We live in the same state. Can you tell me where the nearest DHS/USCIS service center office is and how a normal person might find that place or know of its whereabouts or its purpose?
The program gives out specific information for you to send your mis-matched employees I-9 information for correction of US GOVERNMENT data! In our case the nearest location is the Old immigration offices in Memphis for foreign nationals. If it was a SSN or name or gender or Date of birth mis-match the nearest location for our employees is in Columbus, MS. You would have to go to the program to find your nearest offices that can effect change for your employees with mis-matched I-9 data.
Under the SAVE program a mis-match is considered as an error in the US Government data banks, thus the need to send the individual employee to an appropriate government work site to effect change and correction of our governments errors. This process places the responsibility for effecting change on the shoulders of the employee and relief of the employer from charges of discrimination based on National Origin, whatever!!!
PORK
"Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot."
Charlie Chaplin
It is not so simple as "just call it what it is The Social Security Administration", for it is not. The old Immigration and Naturalization department is now a division of DHS and has been absorbed to include their data bank.
The facts are that it is now the immigration status verifer (ISV) in DHS, who is responsible for verifying Immigration and employment eligibility status for the SAVE customers. ISVs are located at the Department of Homeland Security field officies. The data banks of the Old Immigration offices and the SSA are the ones being verified and corrected, when challenged.
But since you are not enrolled you really did not need all the other details that I have now been forced to lay out for you and any others that are not interested in getting I-9s verified for the benefit of our employees who have incorrect data recorded in our government's databanks. Since you have not joined SAVE, you remain out side of the loop of professional HRs every where that are getting I-9s verified and supported with the necessary documentation to send an employee to the right agency for corrections and verification of their right to work in our country!!!
My current employer and I are doing everything we can do to help our government clean-up the mess that allows 11.5 million foreign nationals to live in our country and work in the place of jobs that could be available for US Citizens.
Thanks for the opportunity to spread more information on the SAVE program.
PORK
"Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot."
Charlie Chaplin
The enrollment process takes an elderly person like myself a couple of hours to work through the system and take and pass a computer driven examination before your company would be able to join the available on-line verification system. There is then an MOU developed and signed before the government will issue you a user ID and password to get into the system. It is not difficult at all and there are staff personnel on an 888 telphone number for your use if needed every step of the way and daily if you need them to help. There is also a tutorial which allows for you to study and help you to create an operations manual for the program.
I highly recommend the program to you; if this old man can get through the system and use the system without fail, then anyone can get on-line and use the system for your advantage. You can use my e-mail in this program for direct communications and questions about SAVE if you wish.
PORK
Pork, if you recognized him as someone else and knew that he was providing you a new false identity, why did you procede with him? Couldn't you just say "I recognize you from several years ago when you worked here and you had a totally different identity." ? I'm not trying to challenge you; just wondering why you would not be direct. Maybe my reasoning would get us in trouble, though I don't see how.
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"Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot."
Charlie Chaplin
PORK
Additionally, the fact that he was illegal before may not have been the case this time, thus another reason to proceed ahead and protect my company and me from wrongful discharge or National orgin discrimination charges! Who knows maybe the employee known by a different name this time may come back to us with corrected data and we will be happy to put him back to work.
Thanks for asking, I almost took that very step when enrolling but then I caught myself being less than rational toward this person. So I went the through our SAVE hiring procedures, as stated.
PORK
PORK
If the employee works a day and a half (or more or less) before getting suspended, how do you report income tax on the time worked if the immigration data is wrong and the employee can't get it corrected?
PORK
I've never felt compelled to independently verify an employee's photo identification or other documentation. I'm also a Notary Public with the contingent photo id verification training to "determine" authenticity. We have hired three refugees and one foreign national in the past four years, but not under my watch (last 2 1/2 years), so bringing the federal government into operations for natural citizen employees hasn't been a priority for me.
The way Pork talks about SAVE, it looks like he uses it for EVERY employee. At a couple of hours per new hire, I'd run out of work time just trying to run a legitimate employee's data through the wringer, I'd think.
It takes an employee that executes an I-9 and provides the necessary documentation to key you to act. It is prcisely the I-9 that I operate from! The documents are an adjunct of the I-9, I do not verify the documents, save verifies the data contained on the documents from which you insert into the appropriate spaces so that you can complete the employer portion. It does not matter whether it is right now or 3 or 5 working days to produce the required documents and data for the completion of the I-9.
Now from the I-9 it takes about 1 minute to get on line and 30 seconds to input the data and immediately the case is either confirmed and matched or there is a nonconfirmed comeback. A tentative nonconfirmed causes you to produce the referral documents and that takes about another 30 seconds. It then takes me an hour to travel to the furtherest work site and personally issue a suspension and get the employee on the road to the appropriate agency with sufficient documentation to give to the agency so they will know why the individual is in their office.
Yes we do 100% of all new hires and that takes about 2 minutes a day out of my time. Except on those days when I have a mis-match (a nonconfirm) and that would take a little more time but believe me it is worth it.
The difference between your situation and mine is that I now have the last 55 new hires 100% checked and documented as meeting the Federal Law and compliance on the I-9 and we are fully protected from any wrongful hiring charges.
Are you absolutely sure your foreign nationals are not illegal foreign nationals? I am absolutely sure 100% that 54 of our new hires are in compliance with the I-9. I am also 100% sure that one ee is currently on a mission to correct the DHS databank which did not match the apparent I-9 documents that he provided in accordance with the execution of the I-9 hiring process. They looked good to me, they were appropriately colored and the data fit the individual, so we put the person to work. After the fact, we have to approach one out of 55 employees and identify that there is an issue with his data (NOT THE DOCUMENT) that is in question.
Pork
PORK
"Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot."
Charlie Chaplin