...So, If I'm offended by the masterbation post...?
National Guard
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Will JavaHR be asked to leave? The whole post offended me. The post itself was more egregious than anything Don ever said.
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I'm sorry you were offended by the post -- it made me squeamish as well.
But there's an immensely important difference between an offensive [b]topic[/b] and offensive [b]language[/b]. Almost every post we delete is because the language was abusive or otherwise inapproprite.
The topic of masturbation can be offensive, but it's a legitimate HR issue that has been written about in many of our Employment Law Letters. And the discussion of that issue in Java's thread was generally mature and professional.
But if anyone, including Java, sunk into the gutter to use crude or tasteless language, we would've removed that post.
James Sokolowski
HRhero.com
When Don, others and I expressed what we thought of his idiotic scam and obvious attempt to shock people thus his claim to fame in his own mind, we got deleted and he got glorified. Then he ran crying to MLS recruiting you all to throw your shield in front of him.
But in your defense, there's no way to keep fakes off the forum. But you must protect them from being identified.
>Vanished.
No, I am not gone. I just got on the forum after a week off. I had no idea any of this was happening. I did not complain to HR Hero about Don. Most of you saw the post I made proclaiming my legitimacy and intent. That was the only complaint I made.
I think Don's advice overall was helpful on every other posted question I have read.
Yes, I felt ridiculed for my "masturbation post" and did not like the fact that I was posed as a fraud or thrill seeker. But, that was not all from Don. His final advice on the situation was clear and helpful.
In contrast, SteelBoy/AluminumBoy went out of his way to stir up controversy - and succeeded.
James Sokolowski
HRhero.com
And waiving a white flag....
James Sokolowski
HRhero.com
1. The migration of some excellent people out of the forum. Good bye and good luck.
2. The addition of some excellent people to the forum. Welcome!
3. The return of some excellent people back to the forum. Welcome back!
Edit: I removed comments I made out of frustration which greatly reduced this post.
Amen
I have not "hassled" you in any way. I have confronted you. There is a distinct difference. Wait, hang on, I did jump the gun once about your good-night comment. I am sorry if you were being sincere. I made a mistake.
You also mentioned me calling you names. I called you a coward one time for your post about "great to be back". It takes courage to be honest. Not only with yourself but others. Let's call a spade a spade. If you cannot appreciate brutal honesty then maybe you're in the wrong place.
What drama? The only drama on the table is the one you bring. Who was being the drama queen with your knee-jerk reaction comment that I was somehow insinuating that you and James are gay cowboys?!?!?!?!? Talk about drama! Want more drama? Reread this thread.
I suppose using your twisted rationale, I should somehow feel offended that you just participated in the same behavior that you are denouncing. After all, you did call me a name. But you know what? I don't care.
Last but not least. I will post whenever and wherever I feel like. Who do you think you are telling me where I can and cannot post?
Gene
Java
I am not sure who AluminumBoy is... but Thanks!
>along. I apologize for lumping you into the
>same category as AluminumBoy. He tried to come
>over to The HR Forum and start controversy
>except that I called him out so hard he was
>begging for salvation.
But - doesn't this go against the principle behind the founding of The HR Forum? That is, allowing members to have their say, pretty much regardless of what it is they have to say and who they want to say it to? Isn't this why a faction of this forum broke off and formed The HR Forum, so that they could exercise their freedom of speech? I thought controversy was accepted and encouraged on The HR Forum, as are individual points of view. Discouraging AluminumBoy from participating in The HR Forum seems to run counter to this principle.
Yes, The HR Forum was founded on the principle of free speech, self-policing and a more liberal approach to professional discussions. When SteelBoy appeared on the scene, all he did was attack the profession while making himself out to be some high-level HR guru. He was called-out based on the information provided when I demanded that he give us his credentials to make such outrageous comments. Once his anonimity was blown, it was no longer fun for him to participate. He and I had a frank discussion on the phone and we decided to end our relationships.
I have a lot of respect for him and his accomplishments. He is everything he claimed to be but for whatever reason decided to simply cause chaos.
His credentials would surprise you. You've read about some very successful folks that are just down the hall.
I could not have decribed his motive better than Smace did. People in general, especially on this and other on-line forums do not like brutal, honest, in-your-face confrontation. What the gentleman known as SteelBoy did was he pushed people out of their comfort zones and made them take a look at themselves, their roles within their organizations and the profession as a whole.
Now, having said all of that, his delivery could have been a bit more diplomatic.
What people like me object to and rightly so is the unneccessary and distracting comments that focus on the person who has posted and not on the issue.
People use the term "brutal honesty" as an excuse for poor manners and a general lack of respect for others.
Honesty doesn't need to be brutal if what you are saying has merit. A lot of people will be discouraged from posting if they feel they are going to be shredded by someone being "brutally honest". That kind of behavior goes against what forums like this are all about.